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my name is Beverly bean and I was

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married 18 years

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and now divorced I've got four children

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two lovely girls two lovely boys

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when were you born

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third of May 1958 38. where were you

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born I was born in hammondstead actually

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so we lived in Hamilton all the time

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um in and out of Hemel Hempstead just

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out of um just out of the way a little

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bit you know

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my dad was in the American Air Force and

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he didn't have like a council house or

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anything so we had like private houses

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you know so we moved quite a bit do you

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have any brothers and sisters yeah I've

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got two sisters one older one younger

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Harriet and Kathleen that's your father

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and your mother alive my mum's alive my

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dad died in February 1986. right

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you've got quite an extraordinary story

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everybody else is extraordinary

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yeah the way it came about is more

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extraordinary to me not not the actual

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story because I have to believe it my

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dad was such a very truthful man that

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you know and when we were kids

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he would reward us rather than punish us

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for telling the truth if we'd done

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something bad you know we'd go to him so

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straight away look dad we've done this

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and he'd pass on the back saying good

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for coming to tell me but you shouldn't

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have done it you know so he's very

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truthful man very um he loved his

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country uh the only reason he didn't go

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back to his own country is because my

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mother was very ill the United States

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the United States yeah was uh ill and

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she couldn't be away from her family

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they had to come back to England and

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settle down here so he got transferred

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back to England but they did go to

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Florida and that's where my oldest

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sister was born

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what was he in the army he was

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he was just like

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nothing else

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you know I suppose everyone just anyone

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who was there was grabbed to go out and

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stand guard Duty and muck in sort of

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thing

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I think the first time I ever heard his

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story was the landing on the moon I

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think that was

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1969 is it 69. it's all right

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he made us all sit and watch it yeah and

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we were really interesting we were only

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little I think I was about it's been

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about nine ten something like that and

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he made us all sit and watch it and he

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told us this story about how when he was

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stationed out in the desert in America

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he'd seen a crash disk and we never at

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that age didn't take much notice I

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crashed this yeah he said that well UFO

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I suppose and he said that um he didn't

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tell us the story in details then when

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we were really young but he said that

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Daddy's seen one and they're real that

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type of thing and as we got older he

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told us all the story about half a dozen

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times or so no more than about a dozen

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I'd say every time I say something

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really

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sort of I suppose jerked his memory in

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the paper or he's seen something on

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television he'd tell us this story

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always went the same way and my sisters

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would tell it the same way as well had

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your dad ever talked about UFOs before

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never never talked about them any other

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time apart from when he told this story

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um

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he always told the story the same way he

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used to say you know Daddy's Cena a

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flying disc it was in the desert he said

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all available men were grabbed and they

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all had to go into the desert and stand

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in the room around this crash disc did

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tell one of my uncles that it was at an

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angle into the sand yeah buried into the

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sand just remember that bit but he

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always told us that they were told to

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look but not look not to take anything

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in well they get into a lot of trouble

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and he said and then he had to sit on

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the back of a truck and they me and my

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sisters can't remember it was they had

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dry ice in those days or if it was

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ordinary ice but some sort of ice in the

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truck

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and they couldn't understand why

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him and another guy had to sit in the

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truck with guns

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and um they were told not to look under

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the tarpaulin but if you knew my dad you

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know he would have had a sneaky look and

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he did and he said he saw these bodies

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I think he said two

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but I think my sister says three so it's

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just memory like I said he never told

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story very often

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and we used to giggle yeah like crazy

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and say gone you know what they like was

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it scary and they used to say hell no he

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said they look like they have friendly

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faces he said they look a little bit

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Asian looking Asiatic looking he said

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um slanted eyes much much bigger heads

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than we had you know to go with the rest

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of their body in proportion yeah

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they looked about four foot tall

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and he used to say they look yellowish

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but apparently anybody else who saw the

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bodies always says gray but remember the

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tarpaulin is going to be a green color

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so whether or not it's just where he was

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under the you know the truck cover

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and um

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he said that they they definitely didn't

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look human they weren't human at all

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and their naked bodice he didn't say

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that's all he used to say really this

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was where this well he never used to say

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he used to say out in the desert and it

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wasn't until after he died that we

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realized it was the Roswell crash all

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right so it never actually several no

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never ever no we've never heard of the

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place right and and did he ever give a

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date nope as to answer no no

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he just basically said that there was

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well he was sworn to secrecy but he

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always always finished up by saying

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whatever you do don't tell anyone you

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get Daddy into a lot of trouble so of

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course we never did it's size another

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time he had to stand guard Duty outside

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a hangar where a crash disc was stored

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and his commanding officer came up and

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said come on brownie let's have a look

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inside but everything was packed up and

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ready to be flown out to um Texas the

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next morning so they didn't see anything

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you think he decided to talk about it in

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69.

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um

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no perhaps he was waiting to see

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something on the moon I suppose everyone

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was waiting to see if there was anything

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up there you know

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I can't remember watching his face or

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whether he was disappointed or excited

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or what but uh and what were your

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feelings when he told you this at the

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time can you remember no I was only

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about nine or ten I think so

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giggly really just giggling do you used

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to ask him to tell the story again well

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not till I was a teenager and then Close

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Encounters of the Third Kind came out on

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television didn't see other pictures but

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on television and I remembered dad's

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story and I thought wow you know go down

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to me dads went down to my dad's house

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and um I said you gotta watch this film

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you've got to watch this film because it

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might be something like you told us

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about he watched the film went down the

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next day and to my disappointment he

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said it was a load of

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s h i t

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he said it was nothing like what he'd

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seen and I tried to question him that's

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the first time I'd ever tried to

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question him right and uh he got angry

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and said look I've told you enough I

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can't tell you anymore don't pester me

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that's all you need to know

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but what makes me angry is that you had

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to carry that bloody thing with him all

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those years you know

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the hell you know that's what upsets me

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all those years I mean 20 odd years he

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was in the Air Force Army and then Air

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and um

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no counseling as far as I can see no pat

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on the back or anything

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apart from that let the promotion

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this is 19 7th of May 1948

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recommendation for promotion to enlisted

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man I'll be nested man

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and um as to the commanding officer

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Squadron D 500 a night there drone group

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Walker Air Force Base Roswell New Mexico

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and I recommend that Sergeant Melvin E

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Brown be promoted to the grade of Staff

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Sergeant Sergeant Brown is diligently

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and industriously performed all duties

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assigned to him while on duty with task

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unit 741

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don't know what that was during the

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peculiar and tedious circumstances

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resulting from this project he clearly

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demonstrated the qualities and abilities

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designed with a staff sergeant

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we've got any other document

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stuff um just um the bits and pieces

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that we found after he died

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of um just really just proving that it

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was actually stationed in Roswell I mean

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some of them got Jesse and ourselves

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orders on them as well who's Jessie

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Marcel well Jesse Marcel was the

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commanding officer wasn't he over 500 a

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month I think he was

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can't remember exactly what department

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he was in intelligence I think something

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like that I think the reason that my dad

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was so angry when he was dying was

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because he didn't know where he was

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going he didn't know if he was going to

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this place they say in the Bible or he

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was going up there with these little

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bloody aliens running around you know he

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didn't know what was happening the whole

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week that he was dying that's all he was

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worried about it wasn't he wasn't saying

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I love you and saying you know his

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goodbyes all he was worried about even

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in his sleep was this damn place called

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Roswell New Mexico

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was brought up Seventh Day Adventist

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and if he was ever worried or depressed

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about anything he would go to his Bible

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I think the reason that my dad was so

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angry when he was dying was because he

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didn't know where he was going he didn't

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know if he was going to this place they

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say in the Bible or he was going up

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there with these little bloody aliens

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running around you know you didn't know

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what was happening the whole week that

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he was dying that's all he was worried

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about was it he wasn't saying I love you

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and saying you know his goodbyes all he

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was worried about even in his sleep was

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this damn place called Roswell New

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Mexico that we had never heard of there

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was a program on television about

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um a book called Chariot of the Gods you

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know they were linking like UFOs to the

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Bible and that type of thing he kept

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asking if we could try and get this book

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for him and I thought oh my God this is

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where the only books he ever raises Zane

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gray you know because he he once met

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Zane gray when he's a young boy and he

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loved Cowboy books and uh someone was

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just bloody weird but he managed to get

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hold of this book from somebody at work

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I think I can remember him looking in

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the Bible looking in the book looking in

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the Bible looking in the book

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now this is why I say the story is

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amazing but how we found out

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been quite a few years since he told the

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story

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um

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while he was dying he kept saying

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I tried to feed him some eggs one day he

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wouldn't eat these eggs

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and he was saying something his words

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were slurred and it sounded like raisins

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and I said raisins dad what are you

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talking about he said they're raisins

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so I said what are raisins and just like

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this looked away from me

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and I said well in the eggs is it a

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recipe because he cooked yeah so I said

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and he went

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like this he said they're coming for me

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they're coming for you they're in Texas

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and like the other time he made

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everybody that was there in the room at

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the time signed this piece of paper

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about this Federal

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bank with this trust fund in it that had

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been given to him he wouldn't tell us

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why and when he wouldn't tell us why I'm

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one of my I think it was my

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brother-in-law said to him or what you

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do Mel robber bank and he got angry and

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he said I've never done anything wrong

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for my country

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he said this is you know Uncle Sam

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business that type of thing

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he said this was something that was

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given to me and I want you to go and

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find it for Mommy because Mommy deserves

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this money

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and we did try we found out lots of

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banks the original Federal Bank that he

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gave us the address of is not existent

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anymore doesn't exist

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um and uh

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I can't remember exactly which bank I

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had so many in front of me I phoned up

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one and I said look my dad died he said

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he had a trust fund from 1947.

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um and she said what does this yes we do

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have some something like that she said

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does it does this number begin with a

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five two so I said yeah you know I put

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my hand over the phone while she click

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clocked off I could hear her quit

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cropping off and look around to mum I

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was going yeah you know something's

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happening here and then she came back

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she's sorry we have nothing like that

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have a nice day and put the phone down

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and I thought

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you know kept his mouth shut all those

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years I said there'll be some money for

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your mail you know in your old brownie

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when you've kept your mouth shut and

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when your up days are over you know get

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the money for your wife but it's just a

343
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ticking off list swine but even in his

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sleep he was

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Roswell and we'd never out of this place

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and this is what is truly amazing here

347
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because he died and we thought well what

348
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the hell did he ever do that Frankel Sam

349
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is so hush-hush you know and all this

350
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secrecy

351
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married him so much

352
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and we got together and the only thing

353
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that we could think of was this this UFO

354
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story you used to tell

355
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we thought we'd ask somebody so my

356
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ex-husband asked somebody he worked with

357
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who was into UFOs and stuff like that if

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he'd ever heard of a place called

359
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Roswell New Mexico so this guy says well

360
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yeah you know it's most famous case

361
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history of a crash disk ever and he gave

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I'll burn it some more and uh

363
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we read this book and we just couldn't

364
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believe it you know it was all like what

365
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our dad had told us and then my mum went

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upstairs and she started going through

367
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all the papers and everything that my

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dad left behind and found these papers

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with Roswell New Mexico and the man that

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was telling most of the story in the

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book major Jesse Marcel you know was

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my dad's commanding officer or whatever

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you want to call him you know it was

374
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amazing stuff remember these papers and

375
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everything then my sister saw Timothy

376
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good on tvam and he was talking about

377
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his new book Above Top Secret and he

378
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mentioned Roswell New Mexico so she told

379
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me to phone him up I phoned up tvam and

380
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they got in contact with the Publishers

381
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I think and he phoned me and he came

382
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around to our house and um of course he

383
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helped us because we were in shock I

384
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tell you honestly we were in shock you

385
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know we were just wondering about and

386
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it's not funny knowing this you know and

387
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I don't want to make money out of this

388
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and I don't care who knows anymore

389
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because the simple fact of the matter is

390
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I just want a letter to say sorry I just

391
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want something to say sorry your dad had

392
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to put up with that all that all those

393
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years

394
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and it's no joke for me either fancy

395
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nine half a secret the most fantastic

396
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secret in the whole wide world I only

397
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know half if half if that much

398
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and you know am I ever gonna find out

399
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the rest possibly

400
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I mean these men really they they should

401
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have been told everything you know if

402
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they are hiding any secrets the men that

403
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were involved should have been the first

404
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people to know everything just to clear

405
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their in their minds and say okay yeah

406
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okay we understand what's going on

407
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but no and I think that's Dreadful

408
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terrible do you give any ideas to how

409
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many people might have actually

410
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witnessed the crash all available men

411
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were grabbed so you've got to think

412
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really it's got to be somebody who knows

413
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something about the bass yeah

414
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I mean but I mean there must have been

415
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quite a few of them were taking people

416
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from the kitchen staff as well you know

417
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everyone had to go

418
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yeah but the thing with my dad was he

419
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was an A1 riflemania so I should imagine

420
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that would count all he says that he had

421
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standard Duty look but not look not to

422
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take anything in they did they're going

423
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to be Court martial and the other time

424
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he was standing guard Duty outside the

425
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hangar where a crash disc was stored and

426
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his commanding officer came out to say

427
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let's have a look inside

428
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but they're all curious but imagine

429
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:51,000
having to live without you know all your

430
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:54,240
life and not ever know any answers and

431
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if they've got answers then they should

432
00:14:59,210 --> 00:14:57,420
download if all right they're not going

433
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to let the public know then they should

434
00:15:03,530 --> 00:15:01,800
let the people involved know but that's

435
00:15:06,769 --> 00:15:03,540
what makes me angry

436
00:15:10,129 --> 00:15:06,779
is this damn Roswell thing you know if

437
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I'd met an alien yeah and he said hi you

438
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know I'm from blah blah blah

439
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and then I couldn't tell anyone imagine

440
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it must desperately all those Jews

441
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wanted to tell somebody or know a little

442
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bit more about it just to use his mind a

443
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couple of years after my dad had died we

444
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got of all things a signed letter from

445
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Ronald Reagan through the post thank you

446
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:34,620
for all your services Melvin Brown oh

447
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two years after he died thank you very

448
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much

449
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you know

450
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they didn't even think of doing anything

451
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like that I mean it would have made

452
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these men feel better maybe if they'd

453
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been given a piece of paper to say thank

454
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you for being quiet all those years and

455
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you know that can make them feel a

456
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little bit better wouldn't it

457
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but nothing

458
00:16:00,290 --> 00:15:58,740
minis I used to be proud to be American

459
00:16:01,550 --> 00:16:00,300
I wasn't born there or anything but I

460
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:01,560
always used to think of myself as being

461
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more American than English I don't know

462
00:16:08,990 --> 00:16:07,260
why but I did brought up I suppose and

463
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um not anymore

464
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not anymore

465
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because if they know more I think

466
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they're so bloody

467
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bloody don't you think that would be the

468
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case with any government doesn't matter

469
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what country I don't know

470
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I I think probably knows as much as the

471
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Americans but they're also wouldn't

472
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allow anyone to talk about it and would

473
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probably treat them in the same manner

474
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yeah I don't know I I tend to think that

475
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maybe the Americans know more than any

476
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other country do I don't think all the

477
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countries know as much as they do and

478
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therefore I feel a bit biased that

479
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there's meaner than everybody else

480
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now I can understand that it would make

481
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people panic maybe

482
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um it was certainly

483
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upset religions and things

484
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but with all the stuff on television and

485
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kids I mean kids aren't scared of them

486
00:17:01,730 --> 00:16:58,740
you know they've been brought up with

487
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aliens and UFOs

488
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American defense service medal American

489
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campaign medal

490
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what's that one

491
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Asiatic Pacific campaign medal

492
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Philippine Liberation rhythm with one

493
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bronze star good contact medal and

494
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Victory Medal

495
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[Music]

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[Applause]

497
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remember my name's Harriet kircher

498
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um coming up 36.

499
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married three kids

500
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three little monsters like all kids are

501
00:17:37,970 --> 00:17:35,580
hello I work on the home care go around

502
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look after all the old people

503
00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:44,630
it's all when we were little we used to

504
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:46,860
come out with a silly story what story

505
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about a UFO crashing

506
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um really all you used to say is well he

507
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said I saw one once we used to say well

508
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what's that then Dad and he used to say

509
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well when I was at the station out in

510
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the desert he said the uh one crashed

511
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and that they all had to go out to it

512
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and I said well did they show you what

513
00:18:09,770 --> 00:18:07,020
it was he said no we didn't know what it

514
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was until sort of afterwards that when

515
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they got there they all had to stand in

516
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a circle he had to get on the back of a

517
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truck and he got on the back of the

518
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truck

519
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which they put the bodies inside and he

520
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looked underneath when he shouldn't have

521
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uh then they went back

522
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to the base he went in with somebody I

523
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don't know whether it was a colonel or

524
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,760
whoever but they said brownie let's go

525
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in and have a look at the bodies and

526
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they went in there but they'd already

527
00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:38,460
been packed up you know and ready to be

528
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shipped out they officer said let's

529
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brownie let's go take a look another

530
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time I'd say

531
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that's right yeah you know so I mean it

532
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was weird you know thank you sir no

533
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I met him in 48 because like a letter of

534
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part of 48 in America no yeah yeah

535
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and he was stationed where at bovington

536
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I still turned I stood next to him so

537
00:19:10,490 --> 00:19:07,940
many times and took no notes of him

538
00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:10,500
finally I

539
00:19:14,810 --> 00:19:13,140
he came into a dancehall and I had dance

540
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with him because I've been star number

541
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:18,179
went to book a dance and he was the only

542
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one dance moves out on them I said my

543
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girlfriend come on we're not going to be

544
00:19:24,770 --> 00:19:22,020
in Wallflowers we're gonna pick the next

545
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two blokes that come around and I picked

546
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excuse me that she wouldn't

547
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I went at one door I said to him I'm

548
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:36,780
going home now so say good night yeah

549
00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:38,520
and he was walk behind me all the way

550
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,780
out through the other door and come back

551
00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:42,000
in again and he says I thought you was

552
00:19:44,930 --> 00:19:43,140
going on

553
00:19:47,390 --> 00:19:44,940
I said no I've just come back to collect

554
00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:47,400
me coat but he didn't he ended up seeing

555
00:19:55,490 --> 00:19:51,310
you believe him

556
00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:55,500
I always believed in everything he said

557
00:20:00,669 --> 00:19:57,660
he was that kind of man

558
00:20:02,510 --> 00:20:00,679
we did my cooking

559
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,520
when was the first time we ever

560
00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:04,320
mentioned it when you see a little bit

561
00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:05,880
in a paper yeah there's a bit in the

562
00:20:09,169 --> 00:20:07,980
paper I can't remember well I say it was

563
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,179
a Daily Mirror because that's what he

564
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:10,799
always used to read and that's what was

565
00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:14,400
always delivered and uh it was a little

566
00:20:19,549 --> 00:20:16,860
bit in that and he used to he said oh he

567
00:20:21,409 --> 00:20:19,559
said I I was there I I was there when

568
00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:21,419
that happened and then another time I

569
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:22,980
could remember going out with my friend

570
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:25,740
one time that sticks in my mind and this

571
00:20:30,529 --> 00:20:27,000
is going back

572
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:30,539
I suppose it must have been 70s and I

573
00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:31,860
can remember we were walking down the

574
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,200
main road that we've got here in hamble

575
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:36,480
and we're walking down the road and as I

576
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:37,740
was walking up there was this light

577
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,500
above my heads and I can remember sort

578
00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:42,960
of thinking what's that and my friend

579
00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:45,179
was a you know say about four yards in

580
00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:46,860
front of me so I was trying to sort of

581
00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:49,140
talk to her but without saying anything

582
00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:51,780
because it frightened me and she said

583
00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,880
what's the matter and as she turned

584
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:55,860
around it just zoomed off well we ran

585
00:20:59,450 --> 00:20:57,720
like the clappers into the house but

586
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,460
running into the living room and

587
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:00,960
everything and then we said to Dad's

588
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:03,600
what we've seen and then he come out

589
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:05,880
with a little story again you know but I

590
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:07,500
mean and then when he'd finished he'd

591
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:08,820
say well don't say anything because you

592
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,980
will get me into trouble he did so he

593
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:12,480
said he said it because I can remember

594
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,039
him saying it too not to be fine didn't

595
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,320
he yeah I say don't be frightened Carol

596
00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:17,760
said at the same time as you did then

597
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:19,860
you both come running in yeah and your

598
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,720
father says to you what's the matter

599
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,760
with you two he knews her as a call he

600
00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:24,960
just seen something over the back of her

601
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,140
head Gary came in

602
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:29,340
afterwards and you said did you see it

603
00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:31,980
and he said did he see it he saw it as

604
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,900
well did he sit zooming off and your

605
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:35,280
father told me I said was nothing to be

606
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:37,380
afraid of yeah he told the story of

607
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,700
something yeah there is something

608
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,559
reminded of it

609
00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:42,240
um it's like when close encounters came

610
00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:43,620
out I mean you told me I said that's a

611
00:21:47,529 --> 00:21:45,780
load of [\h__\h] I mean he did not think

612
00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:47,539
that that was a very good film

613
00:21:53,810 --> 00:21:51,480
just bits of it or the aliens in it

614
00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:53,820
um all of it I think really I think he

615
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:56,280
said the UFOs didn't like anything he'd

616
00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:58,020
ever seen right I'll tell you what he

617
00:22:03,289 --> 00:21:59,460
didn't read a lot and that was that one

618
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,299
but that book Chariot of the Gods yeah

619
00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:05,039
and he was always he did used to read

620
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,539
the what at the Bible as well because if

621
00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:08,400
he used to get worried over anything or

622
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,200
anything like that sit down and read

623
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,240
that and that's what really bothers me

624
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:14,159
about this thing about Roswell is not

625
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:15,240
the fact that it happened and that

626
00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:16,679
there's aliens out there I couldn't care

627
00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:18,059
less to be quite honest they don't

628
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,039
bother me in at all but the thing that

629
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,039
really does bother me is that when Dad

630
00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:25,440
was dying and I think that had played on

631
00:22:30,430 --> 00:22:27,179
his mind and he must have been thinking

632
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:30,440
well where in the hell am I going yeah

633
00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:32,760
sort of somebody that's not interested

634
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:34,380
in UFOs or anything like that I think

635
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,900
already afraid was a hell you know you

636
00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:38,640
die you're going so and so which

637
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:45,110
I mean it was the things that he was

638
00:22:48,049 --> 00:22:46,440
coming out with he kept saying they're

639
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:48,059
going back to Texas that we couldn't

640
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:50,460
figure out what he was saying and he was

641
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:52,980
also saying um

642
00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:54,900
what was it also saying he was saying

643
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:57,059
that they're here and they're coming to

644
00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:58,679
uh they're coming to me they're coming

645
00:23:01,850 --> 00:23:00,299
for you they're coming for me and

646
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,860
they're coming for you and that is what

647
00:23:05,149 --> 00:23:03,480
he kept saying and we kept saying what

648
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:05,159
are you on about I mean you've got to

649
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:06,600
kept saying you're in Texas they're in

650
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,700
Texas and then and I mean it wasn't

651
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:11,760
until a few weeks later the if the penny

652
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:13,260
sort of dropped because I was sitting

653
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,799
watching uh gmtv as it was in them days

654
00:23:21,850 --> 00:23:19,440
and Timothy good was on it and he was on

655
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:21,860
there going on about Roswell New Mexico

656
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,679
and uh you know a crash this that

657
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,120
happened there and I thought hello you

658
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,039
know this it sounds like well Dad was so

659
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:30,720
I phoned her I've got a rock out of bed

660
00:23:35,169 --> 00:23:32,940
got her to phone up

661
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,179
you know TV am or whatever it's called

662
00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:38,400
and he did get in contact with us again

663
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:39,900
didn't he and then you came to see us

664
00:23:45,130 --> 00:23:41,700
and I mean that's really how it started

665
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:47,390
stationed in Florida

666
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:49,140
we were sitting all sitting out in the

667
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:50,760
where they had their houses they were in

668
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,620
the cul-de-sac six that way six that way

669
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:54,299
and six that way we sit with another

670
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,860
couple and it wasn't always getting

671
00:23:59,810 --> 00:23:57,780
there at nine o'clock and night was

672
00:24:02,330 --> 00:23:59,820
coming in and uh we happened to all be

673
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:02,340
looking out and we see this thing and in

674
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,539
fact we've watched it for an hour

675
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:06,480
shooting across oh it wasn't didn't

676
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:08,039
shoot it when it looked like it went

677
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:11,400
into a big cloud sort of thing then

678
00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:13,740
we're still looking at it

679
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:15,000
and all of a sudden it come out the

680
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,380
other end but it was an hour I would

681
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:18,179
watch that because my neck my neck was

682
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,059
aching so this other fellow was a in the

683
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:24,480
weather balloon place yeah and he went

684
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:26,580
in and uh he telephoned because it was a

685
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:27,720
telephone at the bottom of their block

686
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:29,400
and he said are you watching it on

687
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:31,620
screen he said we have it on screen

688
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,860
so I recent Flying Saucer then but my

689
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,320
husband never said anything

690
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:38,880
he said didn't he say that they he said

691
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:43,970
all the time I know I've got to flip

692
00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:45,659
through it but he says that's that's

693
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:47,460
nothing he said they're more likely

694
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:50,039
loads over about that that was a

695
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:51,659
security base too

696
00:24:56,649 --> 00:24:55,440
that was um Eckland Air Force Base is it

697
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,659
the phone

698
00:25:03,310 --> 00:24:59,039
we thought that actually before haven't

699
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,810
do you think

700
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,070
you made me

701
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:13,789
um

702
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,860
the autopsy film when we're invited to

703
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,919
the autopsy film yeah when we got home

704
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:22,380
uh from there I found out Beverly on one

705
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:25,020
occasion for some reason as I picked the

706
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:27,000
phone up to talk to her

707
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,220
the phone Clique do you know what I mean

708
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,679
so somebody else had picked a phone up a

709
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:34,140
few minutes after Beverly had

710
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:36,659
and uh it happened quite a few times

711
00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:39,000
back to the three times actually

712
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:40,940
it was really peculiar

713
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:43,740
yeah it was Roswell autopsy film yeah

714
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:45,539
that happened well it was about that

715
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,980
very night wasn't it so we started

716
00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:48,480
acting stupid down the phone and saying

717
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:50,340
stupid things so there wasn't nothing I

718
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,480
mean if they'd done that they wouldn't

719
00:25:54,649 --> 00:25:52,799
find nothing out anyway because I got

720
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:54,659
nothing to hide and everything we've

721
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:56,520
said we've said before anyways this one

722
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:58,260
is of my dad's

723
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:02,039
in 1947 in the yearbook

724
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:04,980
at Roswell New Mexico according to the

725
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:09,059
records my father was never there so why

726
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:11,220
is his picture in the yearbook because